Each of my girls had weird fainting, weakness, or blurred visions experiences in middle school. I did get them vaxxed up to that point, but once they started pushing Gardasil when there was little data to support, I stopped taking them to annual appointments. I didn't like how my pediatrician was acting. He couldn't look me straight in the eye. All he could say was if he had a daughter he would have her take it. I have no regrets not getting it for them. None of them had any issues all through high school with no annual appointments or reasons to go to the doctor or urgent care outside of physicals required for sports. I never did flu shots for any of us because I always consider it a moving target.
Gardasil is one I’m pretty confident I can fend off with the “pretty sure my boys don’t have a cervix to get cervical cancer in” argument.
Working on the oldest to build some confidence to (appropriately) say no to authority as well. He’s 18 soon, and I will not be surprised if they revisit this with him without me present. That’s of course his choice, but he needs to lose some trust and have some firm ground to stand on to not get bullied
Gardasil in all its iterations is the worst before Covid jabs in my opinion: very high aluminum levels lead to high adverse reactions, the jab is prone to immune escape from targeted HPV strains which is why they went from the old HPV 4 to HPV 9, and cervical cancers and infertility rose in tandem, in younger women, with the administration of these shots. And also you are correct that your boys do not have a cervix. So that's the easiest one to argue. Meningitis is a little trickier but I know I saw a good article on Children's Health Defense showing that that jab essentially made no difference in rates of meningitis, just types that occurred. DTAP for me is one of these exposure based ones that I would be willing to accept in very limited circumstances, that being that I or my child stepped on a rusty nail in a barn which is not bleeding (tetanus can only spread anerobically without oxygen). I would ask for tetanus toxoid in those circumstances but might be willing to take the hit if it was not available. Diptheria (The D part of TDAP) hasn't been around for decades and Pertussis (whooping cough) is prone to immune escape. If you son has had these in the past 10 years it should be enough to provide some protection. But on triage baby steps at a doctor's office good luck to you...
Yeah for now we’re riding on the low incidence of meningitis for his age group mostly. If he ends up living in dorms or something like that later, maybe more relevant… TDaP is supposedly lower dosages of DTAP (haven’t checked yet), which all 3 boys have had, but yes Diptheria is not a thing, certainly in US. Pertussis looks completely treatable in his age, And there’s the “does intramuscular anything work for a respiratory disease”. Tetanus is my only mild concern of those 3. HPV definitely sounds like a bad idea.
No Guardasil! I know a youth who GOT hpv from the HPV SHOT, in his THROAT, he must get it scraped out occasionally and his voice is almost inaudable. He was fine before the shot and got it within 6 months of the shot.
That sounds terrible — would this have been with the pre 2016 version or the one they apparently switched to after? At least for this one, I had already been wary in the pre covid era.
Would have been 2015 or 2016 so...SO horrid, his mother had kept him from all the childhood whackscenes she could, and by then she was worn down from resisting and of course the kids have their own opinion and they trust medicos which is so misplaced....and so sad. Best luck Dr.
Each of my girls had weird fainting, weakness, or blurred visions experiences in middle school. I did get them vaxxed up to that point, but once they started pushing Gardasil when there was little data to support, I stopped taking them to annual appointments. I didn't like how my pediatrician was acting. He couldn't look me straight in the eye. All he could say was if he had a daughter he would have her take it. I have no regrets not getting it for them. None of them had any issues all through high school with no annual appointments or reasons to go to the doctor or urgent care outside of physicals required for sports. I never did flu shots for any of us because I always consider it a moving target.
Gardasil is one I’m pretty confident I can fend off with the “pretty sure my boys don’t have a cervix to get cervical cancer in” argument.
Working on the oldest to build some confidence to (appropriately) say no to authority as well. He’s 18 soon, and I will not be surprised if they revisit this with him without me present. That’s of course his choice, but he needs to lose some trust and have some firm ground to stand on to not get bullied
They still push it on boys even if it's for cervical cancer.
I am praying for all of our youth and young adults for discernment sooner than later.
Hopefully they can gain some of what many of their elders failed to.
Also to mention no issues in elementary school or preschool, only unexplained one occurrence issues in middle school for some reason.
Thanks Dr Flurm, I am facing this very situation with my 12 year old daughter so very useful information and graphs. I think I will say : hard no
At least in my case how the conversation went is in this: https://open.substack.com/pub/drflurmgooglybean/p/ich-bin-ein-antivaxxer?r=r6d2x&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
I was hoping for more substance countering my argument, but got more or less “its all on the CDC webpage”.
Regarding DTAP decision,
This Substack has a post per vaccine for many of them, including Tetanus Diptheria Pertussis.
https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/archive?sort=new
Tetanus
https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/the-silent-killers-a0c
Diphtheria
https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/the-silent-killers-fac
Pertussis
https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/the-silent-killers-bc0
Gardasil in all its iterations is the worst before Covid jabs in my opinion: very high aluminum levels lead to high adverse reactions, the jab is prone to immune escape from targeted HPV strains which is why they went from the old HPV 4 to HPV 9, and cervical cancers and infertility rose in tandem, in younger women, with the administration of these shots. And also you are correct that your boys do not have a cervix. So that's the easiest one to argue. Meningitis is a little trickier but I know I saw a good article on Children's Health Defense showing that that jab essentially made no difference in rates of meningitis, just types that occurred. DTAP for me is one of these exposure based ones that I would be willing to accept in very limited circumstances, that being that I or my child stepped on a rusty nail in a barn which is not bleeding (tetanus can only spread anerobically without oxygen). I would ask for tetanus toxoid in those circumstances but might be willing to take the hit if it was not available. Diptheria (The D part of TDAP) hasn't been around for decades and Pertussis (whooping cough) is prone to immune escape. If you son has had these in the past 10 years it should be enough to provide some protection. But on triage baby steps at a doctor's office good luck to you...
Yeah for now we’re riding on the low incidence of meningitis for his age group mostly. If he ends up living in dorms or something like that later, maybe more relevant… TDaP is supposedly lower dosages of DTAP (haven’t checked yet), which all 3 boys have had, but yes Diptheria is not a thing, certainly in US. Pertussis looks completely treatable in his age, And there’s the “does intramuscular anything work for a respiratory disease”. Tetanus is my only mild concern of those 3. HPV definitely sounds like a bad idea.
My boys are a similar age.
They were offered those jabs last year and i refused them all.
So far we are too. At minimum delaying, but we see how far that makes sense
No Guardasil! I know a youth who GOT hpv from the HPV SHOT, in his THROAT, he must get it scraped out occasionally and his voice is almost inaudable. He was fine before the shot and got it within 6 months of the shot.
That sounds terrible — would this have been with the pre 2016 version or the one they apparently switched to after? At least for this one, I had already been wary in the pre covid era.
Would have been 2015 or 2016 so...SO horrid, his mother had kept him from all the childhood whackscenes she could, and by then she was worn down from resisting and of course the kids have their own opinion and they trust medicos which is so misplaced....and so sad. Best luck Dr.
Yeah this is also the one many states seem to let kids get without parent consent. As early as age 12.
i thought it was a big deal to go to
the movies at that age alone, never mind
'injections'....and remember, kids,
Don't Do Drugs....(but take yer jabs? )
insane if you ask me...!